Comments on: Welcome, Second Saturn Return Members!

By: Connie

Connie — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:35:24 +0000

Thanks Donna, What a good mantra to keep in mind: “if you do right by Saturn, Saturn will do right by you”

By: Donna Cunningham

Donna Cunningham — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:09:35 +0000

Hard Saturn stuff, and you are to be commended. I always say, if you do right by Saturn, Saturn will do right by you. Donna

By: Connie

Connie — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:53:26 +0000

This is really a continuation of my December 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm post, which is below. And I also posted this in the Jan 2013 Saturn in Scorpio comments.

For well over a year, I’ve thought about sharing the complicated developments of how Saturn presented a huge change in my life and my family. Wondering how much to share here and attempting a short story, I’ll begin by stating my 54 year old developmentally disabled brother is the tenant in our condo. For 40 years he and our parents had been across the state 250 miles away. The state support system has been under assault for the past few years and as a result neglect and abandonment were becoming the mainstay for my brother. During our Christmas 2011 visit it became crystal clear that his situation had to change or he’d die soon. A year ago it was a crisis phase and I knew this was my Saturn in Scorpio challenge; with 4 planets in Scorpio, a long haul transformation.

Early April 2012 we packed up a rental van and moved him across the state. He is now 8 miles away instead of 250 miles. With him being a special needs adult everything takes longer and moves slowly so we’re still in transition and making progress. A different anti-seizure medication has been extremely beneficial. He’s dropped some weight, he’s now 280 lbs and getting healthier. He has Libra rising, so this enormous move had Saturn not only in his 1st house but directly opposite his tight Aries triple conjunction of sun, moon and mercury. It was exact January 2012, just before he decided to move. My Leo husband is 8 months older than my brother and they get along wonderfully like brothers; all 3 of us have an Aries moon. For decades, my husband & I had a quiet life with no kids or pets; now we have my mentally disabled brother virtually living with us. I manage 2 households, oversee his medical needs and independent living supports.

Last January the ‘Auld Acquaintance’ regarding my younger brother was embraced. Our 90 year old parents are still relatively healthy and independent; they remain 250 miles away and are relieved of the incredible stress and worry about their youngest son. The Christmas 2012 visit was joyful and so vastly different from Christmas 2011. With a happy heart, I remain wary as Saturn rumples on through Scorpio.

By: Connie

Connie — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:00:22 +0000

Almost a year later; here’s a bit of an update. Just past 1st Saturn return in ‘84 – carpal tunnel surgery on left hand. Now just past my 2nd Saturn return – trigger thumb surgery on right hand. Because of the success of the first surgery, I finally agreed to the recent surgery after months of alternative attempts for relief. Today 4 days post-surgery and functional improvement already even with stitches and bandage. No longer necessary to write with my left hand, talk about poor penmanship! I refuse to look at the incision site; I just keep envisioning a healed healthy hand. Grateful and fortunate that my heart-centered Leo husband is tending to the wound care. Looking forward to getting back to my weaving loom in 2013, and downward dog yoga poses by the Solstice.

By: Rachael

Rachael — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:14:45 +0000

1st Saturn return I had my last child…2nd return in Oct of 2013 will see me as a grandmother for the first time! Beyond that I am not sure yet what the return will bring. A couple of the previous comments mention a Jupiter return, yes for me as well, 7 to 9 months after the 2nd Saturn.

By: Rachael

Rachael — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:00:37 +0000

John, I understand what you are saying about not envisioning…I saw a lot of activity around the time I was 50 in my chart, you must be looking and reviewing your chart/events over a period of time beforehand like me?? Anyway, it did not enter my mind that I’d loose my husband to cancer, nor that both my parents would pass in the following year! It has been a few years since then by now, but I know what you mean.

By: Black Phoenix

Black Phoenix — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:21:04 +0000

I’m currently living in Mexico..completely isolated,….and still suffering the loss of my beloved Friend and Spiritual Child… (John)… to whom I was caregiver and companion for many years. He is now 33 years old, and approaching the end of his life due to severe seizure disorder. He is Autistic, without speech, without the ability to care for himself. My Saturn-Neptune conjunction (1-degree orb) is in Libra – 5th house. His Natal sun is conjunct my S./N. conjunction ! I’m desperately trying to return to him, to support his Mum and Dad who are really struggling with their painful and lifelong journey with John. Financially I’m in a jam, which makes a return to Canada quite complicated. I too, am in a co-dependant relationship of 35 years, which is what took me away from my home and work. My Life’s theme appears to be:…losing or being separated from those I love. This has been a constant for me, since my earliest memories.

I also struggle with Pluto sextile my Sun and Moon conjunction, which in turn, trine my Saturn/Neptune. Need I say more? Thank you so much for your personal sharing ! believe it or not, your words help me !

By: gill

gill — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:52:18 +0000

Thanks to Donna for all your hard work in setting up this great site! What hard work – I wish (Neptune) I had as much grit (Saturn) as you.
I was born in November (Scorpio) 1952. I have Saturn and Neptune within a degree of each other on the IC – and at the sharp end of a T-square between an opposition of Uranus (in the 12th) and Mars – Mars-Neptune is exact with 3 minutes. Mars in Capricorn within this 6th house which is ruled by Saturn and also housing Chiron at 9 degrees, is currently also receiving pressure from T-Pluto. (Neptune rules my 9th house.)
So I feel at the mercy (victim) both of the Saturn return, which also activates Neptune, and also of Pluto which natally squares the Sun and right now is pressing for change and healing/learning.
Some history: my partner( we were an exact Saturn-cycle apart in age) died in 2009; I took an overdose but failed in 2010 and I am currently struggling with self-induced isolation; proper medication that does not work, and improper medication that does (temporarily) work; no plans or goals; and worst of all daily fear (with depression always lurking). I have a sunny Leo ascendant. I spend a lot of the day watching a screen – distracting myself with net-surfing or movie watching.
Like others here I have always wondered who I am and why I am here. I have never had a dream to fulfil (unless it was to save the world during an identity crisis in the nineties) but often felt on course: when I was raising my son, being a school teacher, a tour-guide, an astrologer. All of these roles petered out. The one constant of my life has been care-giving: looking after my mother’s emotional needs and my partner’s – with whom I was quite co-dependent.
With Neptune/Saturn on the IC in Libra, it is always a challenge to get the balance right. I will be glad to exit this world as I have a very strong positive belief in the reality of the next existence – so I guess my Neptune is stronger Saturn at this time in life. Until I was about 35 I think Saturn was more dominant although I have always been a romantic – hopelessly so! I scored equally on the Saturn/Neptune tests.
I better stop here – sorry so long.

By: Donna Cunningham

Donna Cunningham — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:22:24 +0000

Hi, Anna, actually it’s very common for a Jupiter return to happen at the same time as the second Saturn return–their cycles get synced at that point. It IS one of the good things about that Saturn return–we get to take advantage of the wisdom we’ve acquired through experience (Jupiter) to learn a better way of using Saturn than we had at our first Saturn return. Donna

By: Anna

Anna — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:18:35 +0000

I forgot to mention- second Saturn return happens at the same time as Jupiter return to its natal position. Very powerful period, quite often brings career boost /both Sa and Ju being ‘career planets’?/ or a new chapter in one’s career, new one etc..

It maybe a saving grace and an additional reason why Second Saturn Return is usually easier to handle than the First- although maturity and lessons learned may ease the journey as well.