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So where is your natal Saturn? Mine is in the 6th house, house of pets, health and service. I’d love to know where yours is. Below are some very brief descriptions of Saturn in the houses, added just to whet your interests.
Saturn in the 1st house – makes you a bit conservative, serious
Saturn in the 2nd house – makes you shrewd with money, focused on conserving, but financial security will be hard for you to find.
Saturn in the 3rd house – you speak slowly, careful with every word, had a tough childhood.
Saturn in the 4th house – heavy responsibilities in the home, you had a strict parent.
Saturn in the 5th house – romance is no game for you; you find an older partner
Saturn in the 6th house – that’s me! conscientious and dutiful even with dull chores. haha so true
Saturn in the 7th house – you are going to marry a very serious and sober partner (ask my husband!)
Saturn in the 8th house – very strict and restrained about sex and other people’s money.. troubles with other people’s money
Saturn in the 9th house – orthodox in religion, you don’t “buy” astrology. anyone here? lol! long trips for business.
Saturn in the 10th house – Napoleon complex, ambitious, driven in career, doctors lawyers here.
Saturn in the 11th house – Older very demanding friends, tireless worker for good causes.
Saturn in the 12th house – lonely, but craving solitude. Maybe work behind the scenes in institutions.
Where is MY second Saturn return? I haven’t seen it in while, but since it was in the 11th, I’m guessing I loaned it to a friend who never gave it back. Typical of my older, demanding friends!
Seriously, for those born in 1951-53 who are experiencing their second Saturn returns with Saturn in Libra, there’s a new resource to hhelp navigate the shoals, a blog/forum for sharing what you’re grappling with. Go to http://2ndSaturnReturn.wordpress.com. Donna Cunningham
I’ve just been through my second Saturn Return — 9th house, involved with astrology since my teens, unorthodox universal religious perspectives (although I do have a M.Div. as a bow to Saturn structures) and no long business trips!
P.S. I love this website!
Patti Williams
You’re so welcome here, Patti!
July 1952 ~~ Saturn in Libra 3rd with Neptune in Libra 4th house,
and love this website with new sources of information. Also,
have a husband with no interest in astrology born Aug 1952 with
both Saturn and Neptune in Libra in the 5th house.
6th house second saturn returner here and am very happy I found this blog!! Thanks.
Greetings, My name is Rhianne. My second return begins this november and lasts until august 2012. I do not know the house it is in at the moment, born 12/12/1952.
I have spoken to an astrologer friend who says that lots of ancient druids are born in 1952, year of the dragon, to bring their wisdom to the creation of a new culture at this time. Wow, what a time to be having a sat. return, when the whole world is going through such dynamic shifts…it has to mean something…
look forward to connecting and knowing more…
rhianne
Welcome, R. At the Saturn return, transiting Saturn has returned to the same house, sign, and degree as when you were born. Donna
Hello Rhianne. Rollie here. I was born 2 days before you so I’m thinking maybe your saturn return is in the 6th house like mine. I agree with you about the timing of our sat. return. Heck of a time for it! Thanks for sharing the druids comment on 1952 dragons, we need all the support we can get.
Saturn in 10th house (Napoleon complex–harrumph!) at 15 degrees Libra, Neptune at 20 Libra, also 10th House. Part of a stellium with Venus 23 Libra. Sharing 10th House with Sun 29 Virgo and Mercury 28 Virgo. Lots of other aspects, including a quincunx of transiting Neptune to my Sun, Uranus opposing Sun and Pluto transiting 1st House. Just found your blog. Fellow travelers are a welcome sight!
Hi All- Saturn in Libra on the ascendent conjunct venus and neptune here. All square uranus in the midheaven.
The first return really almost did me in – but it didn’t and I got my act together over time- ended up sober, an interfaith minister then went to anglican seminary but am not ordained (too narrow for my neptunian personality) and am still dealing with neptune issues. This is not a fun transit.Sleeping a lot, closing lots of doors to possibilities, just trying to stay positive, alive,and finally work out some issues about inner authority…..and boundaries. Maybe making some big changes.
So glad to have this blog-although I feel like I’m cheating- I gave up astrology when I went into seminary- but it just is what it is, one can’t deny these passages are real and powerfully affect our lives. It’s comforting to have company!
On the ascendant!! what a whammy! If you survived it last time you can probably do it again. You’re not cheating, why, because your religion forbids it? (I hope not!)
You sound like you are much much more than an Anglican, good luck with this transit.
Thanks for your good wishes- I need them!
Yes- the Anglican Church doesn’t acknowledge astrology. Which was a good thing for me at the time- previous to seminary I was so-co dependent that I ran charts and tarot spreads every time I decided anything at all- I needed to learn how to have faith.
That said one can make an addiction of anything- astrology- church- after years of having faith and volunteering (I even created a drumming program for the homeless and had them drumming in church services) and volunteering and volunteering and in analysis and in analysis and doing the spiritual work – I’m in a very poor financial situation and need to re re-orient myself to make a living in the real world. It’s bad and I’m not a happy camper. My Leo moon conjunct pluto in the 11th won’t stand for this! Enough neptune already.
So- thanks for this blog. I have ordered Bach Centaury (alcohol free) after reading that section of the site…and hope that ordering it, talking about it will help me break this neptune pattern of selflessness. So hard to know with the neptune thing activated, what course of action to take.
Saturn in the 10th, conjunct Neptune in Libra, right by my midheaven. I work in film, which is perfect for Neptune, but I’m nervous about my return in Dec. 2011.
Hi- Well, I made it thru the 1st Return, and 20 yrs with an ex w his Saturn conjunct mine.
This will be in #5 House – opposed #11 H Sun/Venus, Quinx # 12 H Moon/Mars/Jupiter, Quinx # 10 H Mercury, Square #8 H Chiron, sextile #3 H Pluto. Kind of lights up most of my chart.
Suggestions anyone? It’ll be dancing ( trouncing?) back and forth for about a year.
Oh yeah almost forgot – Saturn is conjunct Neptune – both in Libra in #5 house. Maybe the saving grace is that Saturn is exalted in Libra. I refer to it as the Karma teacher w the 2×4.
Is there a way I can find out which house my return is in? Do I have get a chart done?
You can get a free copy of your chart fromAstroDienst. Then look on the chart until you see Saturn on the inner wheel. That’s the house–it should be numbered, or even on the grid outside the wheel. Your Saturn return is in the same house and degree as your natal Saturn. Donna
Greetings to all. Today is the 19th Anniversary of my Mon’s passing over, and tomorrow, 10/21 will be my official Saturn Return. My Saturn is conjunct my Neptune, both at 21 degrees Libra, Retrograde, in the 3rd House. Throughout my life some natal chart computations have this configuration either in my 2nd House, cusp of the 3rd, ,or my 3rd, but since I’ve moved West, the energies are expressed definitely through the 3rd. I have always identified with it strongly as being in the 3rd, and I have been a musical performer, and in the Arts, since very young.. Communication in many of its forms has always been important to me. My second Saturn return, which I am currently experiencing, has been a remarkable event, one in which I can see all of the culmination of my efforts, especially creatively, brought to fruition. I am once again, also ,literally in a “Teacher” role. Concurrently, my Geographic Relocation chart shows that my Mercury’s energies (in Taurus) have shifted form the natal 9th House to the 10th, so a “teacher” role would certainly manifest. The major difference between this Saturn return and my first is that my first one was almost totally about how to avoid being deluded in love relationships, and how to survive, and conquer, obsessive behavior and codependency. The focus now seems to be on opportunities to return to pubic performing and center my life on my creativity. Something else that is happened which is interesting, is that new role models are “appearing” for me, primarily in the form of notable people in the Arts, both living and dead. I form a kind of romantic attachment to these gifted individuals, through the very active fantasy life that my Saturn/Neptune placement gives me! It feels much like schoolgirl crushes as well as dramatic eternal, soul-mate types of love, but I “channel” these energies into my creativity. My Uranus is now in my 12th house , via the Geographic Relocation, and I do feel as though people, especially those who are on the other side, are guiding me, mostly creatively. So, its been quite a trip, but being a Plutonian, I’m not afraid of unusual energies. Well, that’s it for now. Blessings and thanks to all, especially Donna C. See ya ’round the site!
Hmm, about the 9th House Saturn, it kind of sounds like the opposite of “orthodox in religion, you don’t “buy” astrology. anyone here? lol! long trips for business.”
I have a 9th House Saturn conjunct with Neptune (8th house) of course, and while my mother took us to an orthodox church, we didn’t have religion at home. I became interested in astrology at age 15 and saved up money to buy books about it.
Since leaving home I’ve tried out just about every major religion including pagan/wicca over the many years, and some more than once, can’t seem to find one that fits.
As for travel, only for a brief time did I travel for work and then it was seldom, other than that I’ve been a stay-in-the-office for the past 30+ years.
I did marry a foreigner when young which turned out badly, guess that’s sort of a 9th House Saturn effect!
Yikes! September 6th 1951 – 2nd house Saturn 39′ 55″ – Neptune 57′ 36″ This is the second return. The first found me with an out of control workaholic husband suddenly out of work, totally broke, running a bar (a business I knew nothing about, completely against my will and better judgement) and a five year old who told his kindergarten teacher that his mother is always in the bar. I’m pretty sure its back although I don’t know enough about where to look. I’d definitely like to know when it’s leaving though because this time I had to defend my life with magick against a witch. She died in February though so I think it’s safe. Other than that I weep for no apparent reason and I am terrified I can’t pay my bills even though money seems to come in unexpected ways exactly when I need it to pay for the next disaster. Anyway I would really appreciate it if you could tell how to find out when it entered and left that 2nd house. Thanks
Hi, Patricia,
My Saturn-Neptune conjunction is on the cusp in 2nd and 3rd House. i can tell you what my astrologer once told me. With that conjunction around or in the 2nd House, money will have a “fog” around it, as will all material resources. These necessities are like “holograms”, the more you reach for their tangible appearance, the more they disappear into thin air, constatnly eluding you. The trick is to totally let go and depend on the ‘serendipity” that this elusive blend can provide for you. Do not become “stuck” in how these resources should materialize, but rather, take advantage of every opportunity that comes your way to be creative and to live “in the now”. Hope this helps.
Second Saturn return in Scorpio (10th house) conjunct Mars. Saturn conjunct Neptune at Midheaven…..I never did anything adult in my life, so this transit probably will be unnoticed as was the first one….I have most of my planets in my 1st house which is Capricorn. 1954
Just completed my 2nd Saturn return. 1st return had me leaving an abusive marriage overthrowing the family dynamics (Uranus in Cancer on Asc. exactly squaring Saturn conjuct Moon conjunct Neptune conjunct Sun in 4th) I had been powerfully imprinted with. It was a revolution! I was poor but felt empowered to make my own decisions for the first time. It was preceded by a very long bout of depression. There was recognition that I had been raised in an abusive situation too and therapy for support. But Neptune kept a lot of clouds in place.
Fast forward to this 2nd Saturn return and parenting was/is again an issue. Both of my children have had problems with drugs and/or alcohol. My son has been living with me for 2 years (came before the Saturn return and remains) and brought his drug habit (Neptune) with him, something I was in the dark about for the first year he was here. We are entering our 3rd year of cohabitation. Saturn requires that I take responsibility for my enabling, denial, avoidance patterns again, this time with a child, not with a husband, parent, romantic partner or boss. (I can report that he is “getting it” and has been clean for about 3 months now with good counseling and support and a program of recovery. I do not think this would have happened had I not been willing to reparent him and set very firm boundaries which I must be and am willing to enforce – Saturn. Neptune finds a way around boundaries every time. I love him unconditionally, always have, always will – Neptune. I demonstrate that love by drawing a clear line and enforcing it – Saturn – but I was reluctant to confront him and to set appropriate limits for that first year.)
One of the clouds that remained after the end of my marriage was conscious knowledge of the incredible sexual abuse I experienced from a very young age. Facing the prospect of providing for my 2 children (Saturn) did not leave room for the kind of breakdown that embracing that fact would follow. Neptune conjunct Sun in the 4th, (with Saturn conjunct Moon in the 4th, all in Venus ruled Libra with Venus in Scorpio squaring Pluto in Leo on the South Node) clouded and obscured but also saved me from integrating the hardest truths until I was able (at 47, the beginning of a new Jupiter cycle). It is amazing that I managed to tell therapists and other healers without managing to tell myself.
The 1st Saturn return left me feeling empowered and free – Uranus.) But I was 30 years younger then. I have a strong desire for security (Moon Saturn conjunction in the 4th) but continue to sacrifice (Neptune) way too much for it. My life continues to require that I take care of myself by confronting people who take advantage of my good nature, project their own inadequacies on to me, require that I be less than they are so they can puff themselves up at my expense, etc., etc. Depression is once again my constant companion, I am a workaholic because it is there that I have some relief from the depression. (Very Saturnian.)
I suspect there will be no resolution to this pattern until I am willing to own my authority in a wider way in the world, And I don’t know if that will ever happen. I do have Neptune/Sun conjunct. Boundary issues. I have a difficult time with understanding what it is I am responsible for. If something shows up in my life, (as in my father’s sexual abuse) I feel responsible. Why would it be there if I didn’t have something to learn from it, if i didn’t deserve it, if I didn’t magnetize it to myself in some way? A big part of me still believes in suffering. This is long and I don’t like leaving it on a sad note. But I am depressed, have been for a long time, and have, as yet, not found the antidote for victimization consciousness. But Saturn has taught me that I am responsible to do so!
Janaki,
Congratulations on making it through your second Saturn return!! I’m in the middle of mine and it is rough going. You’ve done good so don’t you think you can cut yourself some slack? The only thing you are responsible to do on this planet is be happy. I know it’s hard, I think we’re all kind of depressed but we really have to try and enjoy our lives while we are on this planet.
Rollie
born july 1 1953 van bc canada 300 am saturn and meptune conjunct in libra in the 6th houe. However some charts have it in the 5th house.. Astrodients says 6th it also says they are both sd but most charts done throughout my life have saturn retrograde. Very confusing2 mne
however i am going through depression and anxiety i have work problems partner problems he wants divorce after 47 yrs (high school etc) children problems and only 2 real close friends. i do not tell all that is going on – for past 10 – 12 years i have been embroiled in death of my bros and mother. I other bros has become religious and we are currently estranged and in legal battle over estate issues. i have been off work on stress leave and just returned nov 2011 & jan 2012 back – I have 2 jobs and one job site wants me 2 quit the other cause they do not want me to be invoved in 2 unions. I have family hx of emotional, physical, sexual abuse. i am lost
HI Everyone,
Thanks for your comments. This Saturn Neptune combination we share does require that we deal with that which is ideal (Neptune) and that which is real (Saturn). In so many cases, these are directly opposed to each other! While in depression (Saturn) or practicing escapism (Neptune), I do recognize that neither state is the truth of my being. Lofty images of unity consciousness fully manifest here in physical reality just feel like more excapism! Saturn is a hard taskmaster but do we deserve anything less than the best we can become for both ourselves and eachother?! The stronger and deeper the foundation the higher the heights we can aspire to. Who I am in this world really does affect your experience here. Maybe we are all in boot camp becoming the Navy Seals of recognizing this fact. (I’m more optimistic today!)
Born 4/28/53 with the SA/NE conj. hugging the 12th house cusp. Ever since I can remember, I’ve searched for my own understanding of reincarnation and how all our lives are played out simultaneously. I came to the conclusion many years ago that it was true. I just read “Dying to Be Me” by Anita Moorjani about her near death experience. It’s affected me profoundly, and I feel like I’m starting to grasp this connection on an emotional/spiritual level that I’d only understood intellectually before. I see that as bringing Neptunian concepts into my Saturnian 3rd dimensional world, blessing me with a deeper bond with myself and others.
I also have this conjunction is a grand cross opposing ME/VE (5th) and squaring the UR (8th)/Chiron (3rd) opposition. So it’s busy!
Hello to all on this blog.
I am very new to astrology, but i think i can give a basic description.
My Saturn is at 0 degrees Scorpio conjuncting with my ascendant and neptune at 24 degrees Libra and my sun at 5 degrees Scorpio in the first house and squaring the moon and uranus at my midheaven 28 degrees Cancer. A funny story…. About 10 years ago, before I knew anything about astrology I got a tattoo on my stomach. When I was trying to decide what to get, the artist said, let me create something uniquely for you and see if you like it. I did and had it put on. It is a picture of a portion of our galaxy with 2 stars twinkling and the planet Saturn with all the rings in beautiful color!
I am choosing to look at my second Saturn Return as an opportunity to continue to grow. Challenge, opposition and chaos are all good fodder for growth. I seem to be doing a lot of “shadow” work. Dealing with belief systems that are in my subconscious and affect my day to day reactions. They are belief systems put in place by my ego to help protect me and get me through my childhood in one piece. But now they are limiting beliefs that no longer protect me but act as a prison. My conditioning surrounding being good, being responsible, pleasing people, has created a role or identity I have worn. Being authentic and bringing back my own personal power in the form of soverignty is my goal. That sounds like boundry issues to me, yeah?
My soul incarnated to learn and grow and even accomplish service to humanity. If all this hard work helps me to learn what love really is, it will have been worth it.
I was born 1953 30 Oct (11 pm in hong kong) and is having my second saturn return in the 12 hourse/1st house in 2012. can you tell me what to expect so that I can be prepared.
Hi, Kammy, read all the materials on this site and you’ll find plenty to work with. We don’t interpret individual charts here, just share what’s going on. Donna
I’m happy to find this, finally. I just wish I’d have found it sooner
I’m a Libra Sun, Libra Moon, Taurus ascendant…Neptune, and Saturn both in Libra in 6th house. I am so ready for this to be over!!! I’ve had 3 automobile accidents, the last one being a little over a week ago, a major fall in which I hit my head, divorce, move, you name it…I think I’ve had it. Ups and downs with kids…a new grandchild, loss of 2 cats because my ex didn’t live up to his agreement to keep them. My first Saturn return was dealing with a infertility, a miscarriage, a difficult marriage, and I do believe auto accidents back then. Thanks for having his valuable resource.
I will be keeping up. I think we are all ready for a break! I’ve chosen to look at this as a time of growth and getting the lessons I didn’t learn before, but on a day to day basis, it can be challenging!
I have chosen not to even think about a new relationship until this is past. My last divorce was my second one and I’m not eager to subject myself or anyone else to a new relationship in the midst of depression at times and lots of turmoil.
Thanks for sharing, Cathy. Amazing how the patterns–or at least the issues–repeat themselves during the two Saturn returns, although they are such different stages of life and so we have some wisdom to deal with them on the second one. Donna
As my Second Saturn return occurred recently, aspecting my Saturn conj. Neptune in my 3rd House, I have also had plenty of opportunities to apply the wisdom I have earned over the past 30 years. Interestingly, people from my past began “showing up”, via Facebook, and, through other means. They were not people with whom I had had major, overt showdowns with, but they certainly were ones with whom there had been seriously unresolved issues. We are talking about as far back as my teen years! I believed that I was now being given an opportunity to be very conscious of the types of problems I had had with them, much of it having to do with people-pleasing, denial and codependency, on my part. Lots of subtle manipulation on their part, primarily involving, I believe, exploiting my needs for nurturance, and my emotional weaknesses due to toxic, parental wounds. This particular group of ghosts from the pasts had all been women, some of whom I had loved very much. My issues with men have come to the surface also, but, I had had a good start on this many years ago! My mother-issues seem more pernicious and surreptitious. The upshot is that I ended all of these relationships, permanently, but only after thoroughly analyzing, identifying and discerning all of the elements involved. That the problematic areas had risen to a totally conscious level, I believe was VERY important. Illusion had been the culprit in all of these relationships. (NEPTUNE conj, Saturn in the 3rd House of the Mind.) I was given the opportunity to throw light on these issues and crystallize (Saturn) them to see the truth. I still have occasion to meet newer people with whom these same types of negative patterns can surface, but I now do not allow myself to second-guess myself, and I confront the issues, at least within myself. I have found that discussing my discomfort with these types of people (past and present) who have an “agenda” leads to nothing, as they invalidate my feelings; however, this invalidation is part of how I would end up feeling exploited and I now automatically end, or, put great distance between myself and these newer people. Fortunately my sense of self-respect and self-esteem has increased to the point where I no longer want to sell myself short in friendships, or, any type of relationship. If it is not based on genuine respect, mutual support, honesty, reciprocity and real enjoyment of each other, it is reduced to an “acquaintanceship” or an “association”.
hi everyone…
so glad to have found this blog. it’s been so interesting reading everyone’s experiences. thanks for sharing!
my second saturn return [12th H] began last december. all of 2011 was difficult, life-changing, and looking back i can see the good that came of it. i met my personal strength and perseverance face to face! a 9 year relationship with no serious difficulties until a sudden change of heart on his part ended early in 2011. that was followed by a year-long ‘come here/go away/let’s be friends’ withdrawal pattern. add serious financial difficulties on top of that and it was quite a year. but the strength to go on came from somewhere [saturn?] and here i am now.
here’s my data:
libra sun [11th H]. taurus moon [7th H]. 0 scorpio 37 ascendent.
saturn 27 libra. neptune 23 libra. mercury 18 libra… all three in 12th H.
with retrogrades, my natal saturn was hit december 2011, march 2012 and with saturn going direct today, right on natal neptune, that means saturn will pass over natal saturn again in september, a couple of weeks before my birthday on the 26th. are three hits for a saturn return unusual? honestly, i feel like i’ve been through the mill…. but lived to tell. what comes next… i really don’t know.
it’s been two years of soul searching, particularly in regard to work. i’ve spent my adult lifetime trying to find ways to support myself doing my true work. i’m an artist. i work as a graphic designer and illustrator. while it may seem there’s not a real difference… there is. a designer speaks in the voice of their client. an artist speaks for him/herself. speaking for myself, as myself, has never been easy for me. but that is changing. and maybe it’s a 2nd return thing. i’m happy to say that on the day saturn went direct i think i finally understand and appreciate the gift of my saturn/neptune/mercury placement. when you have a wild, vivid imagination it’s a blessing to have saturn right there, pushing/insisting on giving form and structure to it… so mercury can get it out there in the world. [i have venus, mars and pluto in my 10th house].
my goal is that by the end of september when my saturn return is completed, i’ll be well on my way to putting all the pieces together.
yes, it is normal to get hit 3 times by saturn! and in the 12th house. YOu have my sympathy; welcome to the club!
thanks, mimi! regarding the 12th house, i think it’s been a case of ‘ignorance is my best friend.’ i’ve never been sure what to think about so much going on there.
love your site! and what a day to find it.
Saturn and Neptune conj within 1 deg,, Nep stationary direct, both in the sixth house. I feel that this is a wonderful time in my life with my career finally progressing, my son in college. Both my father and my wife’s father passed away within a week of each other this year. I have been in the process of officially certifying my Spanish to native speaker level, in 30 years I never even thought of getting a diploma in Spanish, it was always unrelated to my career, but was always my avocation.
FYI don’t know if it matters, but the gov. of Spain DID certify me at native speaker fluency. ¡así que ya tenemos pretexto para festejar!
I have Saturn and Neptune conj. in Libra at my midheaven, part of a Grand Cross with Chiron in my 1st house, Venus and Mercury in Aries in the 3rd house, square Uranus in Cancer in the 7th house. I had a very difficult childhood and everything after has been up hill compared to that. I got sober 13 years ago,(Jupiter return?), and during this last Saturn return, my oldest son came back in and my youngest daughter came in to the program. At the outset of this return, I lost a life estate, and after some agonizing and legal investigation, decided not to sue my children’s father as I deemed it too risky financially, Capricorn rising, Taurus sun in the 4th, Mars conj Jupiter in the 5th square Pluto in the 8th, Virgo moon. Somewhat of a prima donna when it comes to my health, I have felt vulnerable and some challenges in that area.
I was an editor for early software in English before they called them PC’s after college, after that I have always worked for myself. In the Cashflow Quadrant paradigm, I have the personality of an investor. Antiques and historical property, an early stint as a rebirther but I could not maintain any boundaries and would get physically ill, and had to give that up. So I need to learn more about boundaries when working with others because I love astrology. It has been very helpful to me since I began to study it a few years ago. I have been learning about my Uranus T-square that involves the 5 planets. In many ways, not like a triple Earth sign, I have learned to try to control and direct my impulsiveness to a great extent. I am interested in learning about Chiron and how that affects me. As a queen of the geographic cure, I want to investigate relocation charts, etc. I have just discovered this site even though I read Donna’s book “An Astrological Guide to Self-Awareness” a number of years ago.