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		<title>Taylor Swift, John F. Kennedy, and Marilyn Monroe—a Neptune-Saturn Trio</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Donna Cunningham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)8-26-12 by Donna Cunningham, MSW Hi, Folks, a quick note to let you know about an article I just posted on Skywriter that you may find interesting.  I&#8217;m finishing a workbook for stellium holders called The Stellium Tool Kit, and the example chart I&#8217;ve been using is that of newsmaker, Taylor Swift, the country singer.  I chose [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=179&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:center;">(c)8-26-12 by Donna Cunningham, MSW</p>
<p>Hi, Folks, a quick note to let you know about an article I just posted on Skywriter that you may find interesting.  I&#8217;m finishing a workbook for stellium holders called <em><strong>The Stellium Tool Kit</strong></em>, and the example chart I&#8217;ve been using is that of newsmaker, Taylor Swift, the country singer.  I chose her because she has a stellium of four planets in Capricorn on her Ascendant&#8211;among them are <strong>Neptune and Saturn</strong>, <strong>closely conjunct.</strong></p>
<p>Long story short, I wound up also reviewing the charts of JFK, Sr. and Marilyn Monroe, both born with prominent Neptune-Saturn aspects. JKF was born in the 1920s during the Neptune-Saturn conjunction just before yours, and Taylor Swift was born during the Neptune-Saturn conjuction just after yours.</p>
<p>I thought you might like to see what other generations are doing with this important and challenging aspect.  If so, you can see it here: <a title="Taylor Swift, John F. Kennedy, and Marilyn Monroe—a Neptune-Saturn Trio" href="http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/swift-kennedy-and-monroe-a-neptune-saturn-trio/">Taylor Swift, John F. Kennedy, and Marilyn Monroe—a Neptune-Saturn Trio</a>. (The conjunctions happen about every 35-37 years, and the last three were in 1916-18, 1951-52, and 1989-90.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve never read it before, here&#8217;s a recap of some ways Neptune-Saturn aspects affect you.  The comment section is worth reading too, as people share stories that are eerily similar.</p>
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<li><a title="Permanent link to Getting a Grip on Saturn-Neptune Aspects" href="http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/getting-a-grip-on-saturn-neptune-aspects/">Getting      a Grip on Saturn-Neptune Aspects</a></li>
<li><a title="Blending without Drowning:  How Saturn Saved a Neptune Type" href="http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/blending-without-drowning-how-saturn-saved-a-neptune-type/">Blending      without Drowning: How Saturn Saved a Neptune Type</a></li>
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<p>Incidentally, if The Stellium Tool Kit applies to you or a friend or loved one and sounds helpful, sign up for a subscription here and you&#8217;ll receive an announcement.</p>
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		<title>Saturn Return Stories Galore!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Donna Cunningham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just got an email from Leisa Schaim about the blog she and Chris Brennan (both active in the Assocation for Young Astrologers) have going, aptly named Saturnreturnstories.com.   It has stories about newmakers as well as accounts from people like yourselves about what&#8217;s happening during their Saturn returns.  While most of them concern first Saturn returns, part of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=170&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got an email from Leisa Schaim about the blog she and Chris Brennan (both active in the Assocation for Young Astrologers) have going, aptly named <a href="http://Saturnreturnstories.com">Saturnreturnstories.com</a>.   It has stories about newmakers as well as accounts from people like yourselves about what&#8217;s happening during their Saturn returns.  While most of them concern first Saturn returns, part of the healing journey for people on this blog has come through recalling  what happened during the first return and seeing how some of the same themes come up again at the second, but how the growth spurred by the first return has helped. Maybe reading the stories on their blog will refresh your memory.</p>
<p>Here are some of the articles I enjoyed on their blog:</p>
<p><a title="The Astrology of Paul Ryan’s Political Ascent" href="http://saturnreturnstories.com/2012/08/13/the-astrology-of-paul-ryans-political-ascent/" rel="bookmark">The Astrology of Paul Ryan’s Political Ascent</a></p>
<p><a title="Finding Faith by Age 30" href="http://saturnreturnstories.com/2012/08/01/finding-faith-by-age-30/" rel="bookmark">Finding Faith by Age 30</a>,</p>
<p><a title="The Cycle of Saturn in the Life of J.K. Rowling" href="http://saturnreturnstories.com/2011/10/27/the-cycle-of-saturn-in-the-life-of-j-k-rowling/" rel="bookmark">The Cycle of Saturn in the Life of J.K. Rowling</a></p>
<h4><a title="Relationship Ending at 1st Saturn Return in Libra" href="http://saturnreturnstories.com/2011/08/29/relationship-ending-at-1st-saturn-return-in-libra/" rel="bookmark">Relationship Ending at 1st Saturn Return in Libra</a></h4>
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<div>And, may I also say that even though my second Saturn return is in the distant past, I am so glad that you who have shared your stories here have gained insight and comfort from each other.   Best regards to you all, Donna Cunningham.</div>
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		<title>Saturn puts the icing on the cake.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Saturn trudged through the place in the sky where it had been the day I was born ( for the last time in 30 years)  I received heart breaking news. My husband of 33 years (now 34) was diagnosed with a very nasty kind of cancer.  He had a 20% chance of  surviving for [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=160&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Saturn trudged through the place in the sky where it had been the day I was born ( for the last time in 30 years)  I received heart breaking news. My husband of 33 years (now 34) was diagnosed with a very nasty kind of cancer.  He had a 20% chance of  surviving for 1 year. That&#8217;s about as bad as it gets.</p>
<p>What, how could that be? I had my life all set; I was going to retire, he, the healthy one,  was going to work for a few more years to support me; I was going to start being a full time painter.  Foolish humans, always making plans as if they were in charge. That was just one of the new lessons.  We are NOT in charge.  I told my coworkers my retirement was off as I sped off to one doctor appointment after another.</p>
<p>As the days went by he had chemo, followed by a botched surgery and another, and I learned what Saturn in the 6th house really meant.  It means service. Not service with a smile, not service with a pat on the back, not service because you like it, just service.  No arguments, no reasoning, no bargaining. You just put one foot down after the other, put your head down and do it.  There is no payment for service, just the act itself.</p>
<p>But in the past, I could bargain for my fair share of service, I complained, I whined, I blustered, and sometimes I cheated..  and it worked! Why isn&#8217;t it working now?? well, for starters,  resentments make me sick.  (oh, that Saturn in the 6th house again!!!). And who was I cheating, complaining to?  Uh, my husband languishing in the hospital?</p>
<p>I had to throw away &#8220;It&#8217;s not fair!&#8221; right away. Because well, my Saturn IS in Libra, isn&#8217;t it?? I know ALL about fair. I always have, from the time I was born.  I believe that is a Saturn in Libra thing.  But service isn&#8217;t fair. Life isn&#8217;t fair.</p>
<p>You just DO.  You DO because you must do.  Quiet your heart and your mind.  Serve.  People say &#8220;Oh you are so strong!&#8221; Because with Saturn in Libra, you are the exalted servant, whether you are really strong or not. You do your job, you take care of your home, you advocate for your spouse, you pay the bills.  You learn what is needed and you do all that is humanly possible.  You quickly learn what is unimportant.</p>
<p>But I made plans!!  What about my plans? At work things got busier. My boss started giving me more responsibility. I could see that I could have more career, even though before I didn&#8217;t think it was possible at all.  Then this February, we discovered that the cancer was not relenting. It took me another month before I understood just what we were facing.  And I decided to retire for a new reason.  So that I could be with my husband for the short time he had.  I retired.  Today is day number 6.  Life is good. Life is hard.  But I made the right choice.</p>
<p>With inexorable Saturn in the 6th house, I know that to continue to be the exalted servant, I must eat well, I must sleep well, I must exercise. I must let go of resentments and expectations, (an ongoing process, believe me!).</p>
<p>I must take care of this servant body so I can continue to serve. And the payoff? I will continue to be healthy, I am happier with myself, and I have a wonderful loving family that can continue to function because of my health and my supposed strength.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s a bit of serenity I did not expect.</p>
<p>In a few months, Saturn will leave my 6th house and enter my 7th. To me, that is such good news. It gives me hope that my husband will still be alive.</p>
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		<title>The Difference between the First and Second Saturn Return</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Donna Cunningham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)10-29-2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW In response to a reader&#8217;s question, here’s how I would explain the three Saturn returns – each is the culmination of a stage of maturation, focused in the areas of life represented by the house Saturn is placed in natally and by natal Saturn’s aspects. Saturn represents important roles we [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=146&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>(c)10-29-2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW</strong></p>
<p>In response to a reader&#8217;s question, here’s how I would explain the three Saturn returns – each is the culmination of a stage of maturation, focused in the areas of life represented by the house Saturn is placed in natally and by natal Saturn’s aspects. <strong>Saturn represents important roles we play</strong>, <strong>like parent, spouse, boss, or teacher</strong>, and so the return may focus on adjusting to those roles. It is also a mini life review, an interval in which we ask ourselves and are asked by our surroundings,” how am I doing?”<span id="more-146"></span></p>
<p>At th<strong>e first Saturn return </strong>(age 28-29), you are beyond a doubt fully adult, and faced with major personal and vocational choices and their consequences – commitments, responsibilities, and the limitations they entail. In other words, you focus on your roles. You may have to play catch up if you have been neglecting the positive qualities of Saturn, such as structure; discipline; desire for quality and accomplishment; maturity; authority; perseverance; and realism.</p>
<p>At <strong>the second Saturn return</strong> (age 58-60), you are likely to have completed your responsibilities in those adult roles. You now need to assess whether they still serve you and to begin planning for your senior years as Saturn’s cycles continue to evolve. So there may be sadness as those roles draw to a close and anxiety about providing for yourself as a senior. You face the consequences of choices you made around the time of the first return, and you come to terms with your personal limitations and the limitations of significant others.</p>
<p>Although I have no experience with <strong>the third Saturn return</strong> (86-88), I would imagine that it is another life review, with ample time to ponder how we’ve done in our lines and to reap the rewards and benefits of service provided to our families and communities. It is a time of fully emerging as an elder with experience that can benefit others. And, yes, increasing limitations may cause us to spend time seemingly idle and alone, but it can be a time of grace at a life well spent.</p>
<p><strong>How about you, Members?  Are any of your long-term roles in life being challenged, and how?  Are you reassessing their priorities and continued relevance? What conclusions are you coming to, and what changes have you made?  Tell us about it in the  comment section.</strong></p>
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		<title>Second time around. How was it different this time?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every one of us that shares the experience of their Saturn return here helps the rest of us, as we peer into each other&#8217;s dark mirrors to find ourselves.  While I find the people with approximately the same  signs in houses more fascinating, I can learn something from most of you as you post about [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=138&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one of us that shares the experience of their Saturn return here helps the rest of us, as we peer into each other&#8217;s dark mirrors to find ourselves.  While I find the people with approximately the same  signs in houses more fascinating, I can learn something from most of you as you post about your experiences.</p>
<p>I have Saturn in the 6th house, the house of service, cats (small pets)  and health. 30 odd years ago, I found myself feeling totally overwhelmed, with a full time job, an out of control husband, and two little tiny kids.  I was the full time parent, and I had a menial job too that required me 40 hours a week.</p>
<p>My health was a mess, I had not done anything more physical than chase those kids around for 3 or 4 years,  so my resistance was low and I was always tired. It took me years to climb out of that hole.  I was almost 50 when Saturn was trining my native Saturn  when I realized that if I didn&#8217;t change my ways I would be in serious trouble soon.   I was going to a chiropractor at the time, and he would adjust me and I would go home and fall out of adjustment! He could put my bones back, but my muscles were too weak to hold stuff where it belonged. I knew I had to do something different.</p>
<p>So I pursued an exercise program in fits and starts and gradually built a new healthy body and an exercise ethic that seems to be sticking with me.</p>
<p>An old astrologer once told me that the cosmos continues to give you opportunities to change throughout your life. I think I got with the program just in time.</p>
<p>So when Saturn return came along again, here I was with about 16 pounds of muscle mass that I didn&#8217;t have before, an understanding of posture, balance, and lots of other details about health that I was missing before; and I still had issues. I HAVE issues. But I know the ropes now. I know what to do.</p>
<p>This Saturn return I was kind of excited because I also was having Jupiter return. In the past, my Jupiter returns have been a lot of fun, but this one sure wasn&#8217;t.  Saturn hosed the whole thing down with cold water.  So it hasn&#8217;t really been fun.</p>
<p>My out of control husband has turned into my dearest friend, but  for this Saturn return, we discovered that he has something else out of control, cancer. And it&#8217;s scary.  Along with me he has been pursuing health by diet and exercise and life style, but of course, life&#8217;s not fair, we are learning, it&#8217;s not always enough to do everything right, but it helps.</p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s not over yet, I will not say anything else, but do tell me how yours is different than the last time. And be sure to tell us where your Saturn is in your chart so we know what page you&#8217;re on.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Cunningham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[©8-2011 by Ineke  Note: Second Saturn Return members are invited to share and post their Saturn return stories so we can all learn  from each other. Ineke has studied astrology for a long time, but that’s not a requirement for posting here.  My first Saturn Return also coincided with Transiting Neptune conj my Natal Sun/Mercury. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=124&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1 style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">©8-2011 by Ineke</span></span></h1>
<p style="text-align:left;" align="center"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span><em><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Note: Second Saturn Return members are invited to share and post their Saturn return stories so we can all learn  from each other. Ineke has studied astrology for a long time, but that’s not a requirement for posting here.</span></span></em></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">My first Saturn Return</span></strong><span style="font-size:small;"> also coincided with Transiting Neptune conj my Natal Sun/Mercury. Much later I did an astrological assignment on the first return and had writings and diaries to sort thru what happened. Saturn came close to my Saturn at the beginning of that year and only one pass in the October. The Saturn Return chart (13 Oct 1981) has Saturn in the 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> conjunct Sun in 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> conj Jupiter on MC and Pluto in 10</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> plus opposition Moon in Aries in the 3</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">rd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;">. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> <span id="more-124"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It was a year of much mental and emotional turmoil. The diaries and writings show inner pain, confusion, words of empty, barren and bleak. There were feelings of not having enough to give, hurting others, feeling unworthy and feelings of an unreal quality to life.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Mid year I wrote ‘Like I am a boat in a storm at sea, sometimes it calms down and I get into the eye of the storm and see things clearly and then slip back into the storm’. Spiritual issues of the church and rituals and needing a higher authority to protect me. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Before the Return I was getting into alternative health (am a reg nurse) and other different alternative things, I became rather disillusioned with orthodox life. As time went on, Saturn Return got closer and after, the obsessive need for spiritual rituals as well as the huge swing to the alternative fell away and I realized I no longer need outer rituals, became more grounded spiritually and mentally in myself. I came back to a more balanced life straddling both worlds.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">At the end of a piece I wrote one week before the <strong>exact Saturn Return</strong> I wrote &#8211; “I feel as tho a great shattering process has occurred, fragmentation and nothingness and now a coming back together again in a new and hopefully better way.” I dealt with fears of unworthiness, of thinking I could control my life, fix every ones else’s problems &#8212; be all things to all people, living for others and not dealing with myself. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Someone once said it was my “Dark night of the Soul”, I certainly faced much in myself but there was more to come, as there probably will continue to be. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Then almost to the day TransitingSaturn hit natal Saturn<span style="text-decoration:underline;">,</span> a long distant male friend arrived in N Z for the 6 mth holiday.  I had blocked him out and he arrived on the doorstep. By Dec we were an item.  He left the following April, I went to Canada later and the rest is history from Career Nurse, footloose and fancy free to love, wife, mother and all it entailed again back in NZ.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Second Saturn Return plus Return charts</span></span></strong></p>
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<li><strong><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></strong><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Saturn Return first hit:</span></strong><span style="font-size:small;"> 21 Nov 2010 Saturn is in the 3</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">rd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> house – everyday communication issues, siblings etc.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Rx Saturn return chart</strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">:</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"> April 2011 Saturn is in the 7</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> house of relationships and open enemies </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>Last Saturn Return chart</strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">:</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"> Aug 2011 Saturn in 2</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">nd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> taking responsibility for my own feelings of inadequacy and self worth</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>Saturn conj Neptune</strong> 23 October 2011</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>Saturn conj MC</strong> 9 Oct 2012</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Natally</span></strong><span style="font-size:small;"> Saturn is at 13 Libra 40 conj Mars 12 Libra 45 in 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> house both sq Uranus 12 Cancer 41 in 6</span><span style="font-size:x-small;"><sup>th</sup></span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">Neptune 21 Libra 19 in 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> 9 degrees from the MC </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">Saturn/Mars are Quintile both Sun conj Mercury are in 11</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> and Moon in Leo in 7</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">Libra / Aries are intercepted into 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> / 3</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">rd</span></sup></span></li>
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<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">This 2</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">nd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> Saturn return is again return to relationships and beliefs around them – different but in essence the same  my strong self responsibility beliefs are tested, challenges and yet another level of lessons to be learned.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Saturn into Libra (pre Saturn Return)</span></span></strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Saturn first went into Libra in very late Oct 2009 and looking back the seeds of my Saturn Return started then. </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I had a high position in a worldwide volunteer organisation and ongoing escalating problems with a senior person in my team so I started looking at taking a stand, documented problems, emails etc this became very detailed over time and ultimately very useful in the end. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">These issues continued all 2010 becoming very stressful it brought into focus my relationships with the various people in the organisation I worked with and the part of my role to deal with various people and the sometimes difficult issues and decisions that need to be made.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> My strong self responsibility beliefs were being tested with my uncomfortable Mars in Libra that wants to make people feel better and feels sorry for them. There was naturally a backlash and an attempt to discredit me which polarized some people which mostly fell flat. I relearned that you can’t be everyone’s friend and you must do what needs to be done in an ethical honest manner for the good of everyone. It took its toll on me.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In Oct / Nov 2010– <strong>the first pass of Saturn:</strong> this situation our National office got involved and ultimately the issue was resolved in a beneficial way to the organisation. Our summer holidays came just before Christmas and I did not renew my 3 yr warrant (I was wrung out) and left the organisation with the intention of 6 mths break to think about ‘where to from here’.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Again back in Oct 2009 we were supposed to have a nursing reunion 40 years since we started and 10 years since the last one. I do not live close to where we trained and thru poor organization, I got involved late by email and phone in the end it was a small reunion. I took it upon myself to be the long distance communicator re the 2010 reunion and contacting people for a 2012 reunion and things are in place already. I am learning about my relationships with my nursing friends, the past – ‘who’ I was then, how much I have grown. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Mid July 2010 onwards when Saturn had been back into Virgo and came back into Libra and onto as my first <strong>Saturn Return hit in Nov</strong><strong>2010</strong> the issue and solution became clear in another important group in my life. I have lead an astrology group for 18 years, this group has dwindled in numbers over the years, and became 6 close friends came to share plus a few others who only came to get answers, not learning or sharing / giving to others. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Mid year I suddenly came to thinking I don’t have to invite everyone, surprised myself and over time made it a closed group with those 6 only, I learned I am allowed to be selfish and not spread myself thin, give and give with no reciprocation. I again learnt more about my need to be noticed, tendency to be nice, not hurt others feelings, feeling responsible to teach and pass on my knowledge and be ever helpful! </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">2011 </span></strong><span style="font-size:small;">More revelations around my fractured growing up family and particularly 2 closely related male members who for the past 20 years are happy for me to call / visit / contact them but did not reciprocate. I had always held the family together till 1999 (T Saturn trundling thru the 4</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th </span></sup><span style="font-size:small;">plus other big transits) when there were major ructions and splits by my mother after the death of my father, I had a lot of fear around losing particularly my siblings. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">I am the oldest in an immigrant family, (Saturn in the 9</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">th</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;">) immigrating when I was 4 so there was not much wider family support and a lot was expected of me and I took on. I have always felt and carried a lot of responsibility for my siblings (Mars conj Saturn &#8211; Aries intercepted into 3</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">rd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;">) from a young age and was a 2</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">nd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> mother to them. </span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">In the end in 1999 I abdicated a lot of the responsibility of trying to keep together a disinterested growing up family but continued individual contact and continued to feel responsibility to some family members. Round the time of the </span><strong><span style="font-size:small;">2</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">nd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> SR Rx pass in</span></strong><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>April</strong> I made a clear decision to not instigate the contact. Low and behold in a short time, unprecedented, both male relatives contacted me – and not because I had left it for a long time and my close sister is also making a greater effort not to leave it to me.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Thru out 2011 the most unlikely people have come back into my life – all with whom I have realised I unfinished business with plus the need to look at our friendship / relationship back then, my need to carry more of the responsibilities of the friendship than I should. Even some present relationships / friendships are being tested and a couple have become challenging – the ways of conducting them etc.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This year particularly, my husband and I have worked thru issues in our relationship and are more and more coming to a peaceful place. Our relationship while loving and mostly great has also been challenging over our 28 years of marriage.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Our 2 daughters (mid 20’s) &#8211; I have been confronted with not having let them go as much as I thought I had, I have looked deep into myself, come to conclusions, apologised and backed off. Consequently they are closer again rather than holding me at arms length.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>Saturn Return and Neptune</strong> &#8211; Neptune widely conj Saturn / Mars and close to the MC &#8211; the glamour of being responsible for relationships, needing to see the reality of them but also being very intuitive about people / others. Saturn coming up over the widely conj Neptune is stripping illusion and fantasy away. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Particularly this year when the pattern was showing itself I have tried to be very conscious in this process, seeing my part in the events, what I could have done better and so on. I don’t want to be blindsided when and if the universe (what I attract) decides to smack me round </span>J<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> to strip away illusion and rose tinted glasses and expose denial.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Conclusion</span></span></strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">And what a journey it’s been!!! Tested and challenged on the way with no real anguish this time and again a huge amount of positive growth.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It has been about looking at the idea that all relationships should carry equal responsibility, that it’s a 2 way street and that an unequal giver and taker is not healthy. It’s about my ideas, ideals and beliefs around these relationship things which are being tested, challenging me, the need to let go what is past its ‘sell by date’ both in relationships and my beliefs around relationships including my karma, past / future lives beliefs. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">No doubt as time goes on I will see and understand more of what happened in my 2</span><sup><span style="font-size:x-small;">nd</span></sup><span style="font-size:small;"> Saturn return process.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">At this stage I have decided to do virtually no volunteer work – have been doing it in some form or another for 30 years and now its time for me / us, the things I have put on the back burner for so long, my family and friends who have often been neglected plus my part time paid job gets more attention. We can now save for and go into retirement with a slower less frantic pace of life.</span></span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I am gaining again a clearer sense of me and the other, where one ends and the other starts. I feel as Donna so succinctly put I have completed a lot of my responsibilities and am beginning to emerge as an elder with experience that can benefit others.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> I hopefully can go into my autumn / golden years with my loved ones as a more whole, responsible and not over responsible person, a place of peace, not worry over the unnecessary obligations to others, but with some wisdom to pass onto others. </span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)8-2011 by CJ Wright So where is your natal  Saturn? Mine is in the 6th house, house of pets, health and service.   I&#8217;d love to know where yours is. Below are some very brief descriptions of Saturn in the houses, added just to whet your interests. Saturn in the 1st house &#8211; makes you a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=121&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>So where is your natal  Saturn? Mine is in the 6th house, house of pets, health and service.   I&#8217;d love to know where yours is. Below are some very brief descriptions of Saturn in the houses, added just to whet your interests.<span id="more-121"></span></p>
<p>Saturn in the 1st house &#8211; makes you a bit conservative, serious</p>
<p>Saturn in the 2nd house &#8211; makes you shrewd with money, focused on conserving, but financial security will be hard for you to find.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 3rd house &#8211; you speak slowly, careful with every word, had a tough childhood.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 4th house &#8211; heavy responsibilities in the home, you had a strict parent.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 5th house &#8211; romance is no game for you; you find an older partner</p>
<p>Saturn in the 6th house &#8211; that&#8217;s me! conscientious and dutiful even with dull chores. haha so true</p>
<p>Saturn in the 7th house &#8211; you are going to marry a very serious and sober partner (ask my husband!)</p>
<p>Saturn in the 8th house &#8211; very strict and restrained about sex and other people&#8217;s money.. troubles with other people&#8217;s money</p>
<p>Saturn in the 9th house &#8211; orthodox in religion, you don&#8217;t &#8220;buy&#8221; astrology. anyone here? lol! long trips for business.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 10th house &#8211; Napoleon complex, ambitious, driven in career, doctors lawyers here.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 11th house &#8211; Older  very demanding friends, tireless worker for good causes.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 12th house &#8211; lonely, but craving solitude.  Maybe work behind the scenes in institutions.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)8-2011 by MimiTabby As Transiting Saturn danced back and forth over my natal Saturn, I felt downtrodden, tired, old.  I knew that if I could just hold out to the end of July, I would finally be free of that heavy stone on my shoulders. And I could really feel it, within days, I  had [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=113&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>As Transiting Saturn danced back and forth over my natal Saturn, I felt downtrodden, tired, old.  I knew that if I could just hold out to the end of July, I would finally be free of that heavy stone on my shoulders. And I could really feel it, within days, I  had more energy, my frozen shoulder is unfreezing, but Saturn is STILL in my 6th house, the house of health, small animals, and service.<span id="more-113"></span></p>
<p>A few days after Saturn passed my Saturn for the last time (until I am 90 years old, anyway) one of my cats died. Her death was expected, she was very old and getting more feeble all the time.  Having a stellium in the 6th house and a house full of cats,  Saturn in my 6th house has always meant I&#8217;d lose a cat (or two!), so I wasn&#8217;t really surprised.</p>
<p>So as Saturn distances itself from my natal Saturn,  it still has about a year to go in my 6th house, and Neptune is just sitting there, waiting for its own dance with Saturn. And then the other shoe fell.</p>
<p>For the last 5 years my husband has been prodding me to set a retirement date. So I did. I picked April 5, 2012, when Saturn would be past Neptune too, and almost done with my 6th house. Now I wonder if it was meant to be &#8212; my very healthy athletic husband was just diagnosed with cancer.. It looks like I have more service to do.  Saturn doesn&#8217;t mess around.  During the first go round, I remember being so overwhelmed with having two small children, a boring job and a very difficult husband, I had a fantasy affair.. That would be Neptune.  I have no idea what is going to happen this time, I think I am immune from fantasy affairs.  I find myself reading more, that&#8217;s my avoidance mechanism.</p>
<p>During the first go round, it seemed like life was SO HARD, today I think I was just a baby during that first Saturn return.</p>
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		<title>Flower Essence Support for the Neptune-Saturn Group</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)5-2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW Note: this article, which originally appeared on Skywriter is part of a series designed to help readers born between 1951-53 with Saturn conjunct Neptune work through their second Saturn return.  We&#8217;ll be learning about a variety of healing tools, but essences are an excellent catalyst to growth.  If residues of a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=84&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:center;">(c)5-2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW</p>
<p><strong><em>Note: this article, which originally appeared on <a title="Self-Help and Astrology Articles" href="http://skywriter.wordpress.com">Skywriter</a> is part of a series designed to help readers born between 1951-53 with Saturn conjunct Neptune work through their second Saturn return.  We&#8217;ll be learning about a variety of healing tools, but essences are an excellent catalyst to growth. <span id="more-84"></span></em></strong></p>
<p>If residues of a difficult childhood have led to painful adult relationships in which you feel compelled to give too much and try to save others, then a keynote of your second Saturn return is a need to shift this pattern and begin taking care of yourself.</p>
<p>For many who are over-responsible, this transit is a time when you feel physically, emotionally, or financially exhausted, so you need to set limits on yourself and others or there will be consequences. Simply put, things cannot go on in the old way!</p>
<p>You may need a many-layered approach to start changing the pattern—things like counseling or coaching, self-help books, bodywork, and support groups like this project.</p>
<p>In addition, there­ are flower essences (also known as flower remedies) to facilitate the healing process—not magic bullets, you understand, but helpful catalysts to new insights.<!--more--></p>
<p>Not to be confused with aromatherapy, these gentle, natural remedies can be gotten inexpensively in many health food stores, metaphysical bookstores, and online. If you’ve never worked with them before, download the introductory chapter from my essence book: <a href="http://skywriter.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/flower-essence-information-ch1.doc" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7f1d1d;">flower essence information-ch1</span></a><em>.</em> It explains more about flower remedies, how to use them, and what to expect.</p>
<p>Below are descriptions of three individual essences that relate strongly to the syndrome we are talking about. My suggestion would be that you take one of these essences at a time, especially if you’ve never used one before, so that it’s easier to sort out and process the feelings, memories, and emotions that come up. Writing your impressions down in a journal would be very helpful.</p>
<p>If you’re identifying with what you’ve read this far, it’s likely that you’ll relate to Centaury, the first essence on the list, and if so, that’s a good starting point. Most health food stores carry it in the Bach flower remedy section.</p>
<h3 align="center">Three Major Essences for the Neptune-Saturn Group</h3>
<p><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-87" title="centaury-wiki" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/centaury-wiki.jpg?w=500" alt=""   />Essence #1: Centaury: </strong>The classic Bach profile of Centaury states ­that it helps individuals who are too easily taken advantage of­ by others. They are quiet, gentle, submissive, eager to help and easily exploited by the unscrupulous. (Companies making the essence: Bach, <a href="http://www.fesflowers.com/index_essences.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7f1d1d;">Flower Essence Services- Flower Essences</span></a>, Healing Herbs, Pegasus)</p>
<p><strong>Lore:</strong> This herb was attributed to the mythical crippled centaur,­ Chiron, who was a healer and mentor to Greek Witches were said to mix Centaury into their incense in order to induce trancelike states. Burning the plants ­supposedly drove away snakes.</p>
<p><strong>Reflections:</strong> I find that the person who needs Centaury often­ comes from a dysfunctional family background where their ­boundaries were continually violated. This includes those who ­have been victims of abuse or molestation.</p>
<p><strong>Affirmations:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>I STAND FIRM AGAINST PEOPLE WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE.</li>
<li>I RELEASE MY FEAR OF SAYING NO.</li>
<li>I HELP ONLY WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Astrological correlations:</strong> While I have often used it where ­Neptune is strong, aficionados of the asteroid Chiron feel­ Centaury is an important essence for difficult Chiron placements, ­such as to the Sun, Moon, or Ascendant. This association with Chiron, the wounded healer, strengthens my belief that those who ­need it are often abuse victims.<img class="alignright size-full wp-image-88" title="goldeneardrops-edu" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/goldeneardrops-edu.jpg?w=500" alt=""   /></p>
<p><strong>Essence #</strong> <strong>2: Golden Eardrops: </strong> Another crucial remedy is ­the Flower Essence Society ‘s Golden Eardrops, which is said to help a person contact and­ release painful feelings from an unhappy childhood, especially if­ it was too traumatic to acknowledge at the time. In releasing unhappy memories, the individual may release repressed tears.</p>
<p>­This pattern of being healed through crying has resulted in this ­essence being nicknamed Golden Teardrops.Golden Eardropsis an important healer for those who carry around shame based in painful childhood events. (<a href="http://www.fesflowers.com/index_essences.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7f1d1d;">Flower Essence Services- Flower Essences</span></a> also recommends Yerba Santa for gentle release of ­held-in trauma from childhood.)</p>
<p><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-89" title="saguaro-a2d" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/saguaro-a2d.jpg?w=500" alt=""   />Essence #3: Saguaro:</strong> FES’ Saguaro helps where there was a­ problem with the father, especially with regard to his authority.­ FES recommends it for clarity in relationship ­to authority; for alienation and conflict regarding power ­figures; appreciation of the wisdom of spiritual elders and­ ancient spiritual traditions. Balanced relationship to spiritual­ authority and guidance. (Companies making the essence: Desert Alchemy, FES, Pegasus.)</p>
<p><strong>What the plant is like:</strong> Saguaro can become a giant of a cactus, ­up to 50′ (15m) high and weighing several tons, although most of­ the weight is water stored during the short desert rainy season. ­It can live to be 150 to 200 years old. The large, white flowers­ bloom for only one day, during the spring rainy season, and then ­turn to fruits that drop off for seedlings.</p>
<p><strong>Uses:</strong> It is shelter for many desert creatures, including­ woodpeckers, who make holes in the trunk. The fruits make welcome ­food for small creatures. The number of saguaro is diminishing­ because of poachers who dig them up to sell to florists. Native­ Americans of the Southwest used the trunks in building homes and­ ate the fruits.</p>
<p><strong>Reflections:</strong> This long-lived plant gives shelter and nurturance ­to many. It seems like a metaphor for a beneficent elder or ­authority figure. As it is a desert plant, it ­may encourage self-reliance. (Sunflower can also be helpful where the relationship with the­ father was damaging to the self-esteem. )</p>
<p><strong>Affirmations</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>AUTHORITY ASSUMES ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN MY LIFE.</li>
<li>I RELEASE AUTHORITY CONFLICTS STEMMING FROM MY PARENTS.</li>
<li>I STAND IN RIGHT RELATIONSHIP TO TEACHERS AND ELDERS.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Astrological correlations:</strong> Saturn aspects to Uranus, Neptune, or­ Pluto, or aspects by any of these to the Midheaven or the Sun.</p>
<h3>Why Flower Remedies are a Natural Part of this Project</h3>
<p>As we go along in this Saturn return project, we’ll be looking at a number of healing tools, but in my healing and astrology practice, which included a great many adult children of alcoholics, flower essences were a great addition–a catalyst that enhanced other healing tools and techniques as well.</p>
<p>(Sometimes there is a catharsis involved—a shedding of suppressed tears or finding out you’re more angry than depressed about your situation and relationships. If so, that is part of the healing and part of what helps you make a positive shift. ( For more information, read this: <a title="Permanent link to Understanding Healing Reactions or Healing Crises" href="http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/understanding-healing-reactions-or-healing-crises/">Understanding Healing Reactions or Healing Crises</a>.)</p>
<p>I added essences to my work in about 1979, and have since made it my mission to spread the word among astrologers and clients by editing or co-editing journals about the essences. In 1989, Dr. Deborah Bier and I founded Vibration, a free online journal, which for the last few years has been a blog. The links below are to Vibration articles. <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Tired from Giving too Much to Others? Essences can Help. Related Articles from the Archives of <a title="Blog and ezine with over 350 articles in the archives" href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/blog"><span style="color:#7f1d1d;">Vibration Flower Essence Blog</span></a>, the free online essence resource: </strong><strong> </strong></p>
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<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/feb08/caregiveressences.html">Flower Essences for Caregivers, by Sheryl Karas, M.A.</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/feb07/shoemaker.html">Self-Care: An Important Concern for Alternative Health Practitioners</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/nov06/thymusvine.html">Do-Gooder or Control Freak? A Wounded Healer Gets Help from Vine</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.essences.com/vibration/nov01/burnout.html">Essences for Burnt-Out Helping Professionals</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/aug03/elm.html">Elm Flower Essence — The Last Straw, by Connie Barrett</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.essences.com/vibration/nov01/oakambition.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:#7f1d1d;">Oak–A Balm for the Driven</span></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.essences.com/vibration/mar00/restedness.html">A Combination Essence for “Restedness”</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/aug05/codependencypals.html">Boundaries and Friendship — Are You and Your Friend Codependent?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.floweressencemagazine.com/feb08/midlifeessences.html">Radiance for Women in Mid-Life and Beyond: Flower Essences for <strong>…</strong></a></li>
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		<title>The 6th house Saturn Return &#8211; an artist who served for 32 years</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mimitabby</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(c)5-2011 by MimiTabby This is the first of a series of autobiographical posts about those of us experiencing their second Saturn return.   My name is Mimi. Saturn in the 6th house points to service, small animals and health issues.  During my first Saturn return, I had terrible problems with my cats, lost jobs, learned a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=2ndsaturnreturn.wordpress.com&#038;blog=23013179&#038;post=45&#038;subd=2ndsaturnreturn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:center;">(c)5-2011 by MimiTabby</p>
<p>This is the first of a series of autobiographical posts about those of us experiencing their second Saturn return.   My name is Mimi.</p>
<p>Saturn in the 6th house points to service, small animals and health issues.  During my first Saturn return, I had terrible problems with my cats, lost jobs, learned a work ethic and had a very small health crisis. I also managed to work full time with a husband who was slowly getting his act together (he managed to be unemployed for the births of both of our kids), and have a tot and a baby. I was completely miserable.<span id="more-45"></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/santamimi635.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-46 aligncenter" title="santamimi635" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/santamimi635.jpg?w=218&#038;h=300" alt="" width="218" height="300" /></a>The Saint</p>
<p>So it has been kind of scary looking forward to THIS Saturn Return. especially with 4 planets transiting in Aries (in my 12th house) opposing Saturn,  both natal and in transit.</p>
<p>I figured it was a good time to get a colonoscopy.. (went like a dream, really!) as I was already 9 years late.  I have to wait until I turn 60 in November to get my shingles shot and my  pneumonia shot, but I&#8217;m planning on doing those as soon as I can.  I&#8217;ve worked hard to get myself into good physical shape, I walk a lot, I ride my bike to work, I take Vit D because where we live we don&#8217;t get enough sun.  I do my best to eat a healthy diet, doing mostly home cooking and eating very little processed foods. With Saturn in the 6th, I&#8217;ve never smoked, never could drink (tried, didn&#8217;t like it MANY times, so when my husband quit drinking for very different reasons, I was happy to never drink again)  I can&#8217;t overeat either.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/violasndgrss628.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-54" title="violasndgrss628" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/violasndgrss628.jpg?w=231&#038;h=300" alt="" width="231" height="300" /></a>Viola Snodgrass &#8211; the schoolmarm</p>
<p>These are good aspects of Saturn in the 6th house, I think it&#8217;s easier for me than most people to not overdo  things.</p>
<p>I think all the planets in my 12th house are waking up my spiritual side; I have Jupiter there  natally.  I had a sudden urge to take a Reiki class, a totally different direction for me.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/gypsyladyme1.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-49 aligncenter" title="gypsyladyme" src="http://2ndsaturnreturn.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/gypsyladyme1.jpg?w=253&#038;h=300" alt="" width="253" height="300" /></a>The Gypsy</p>
<p>I have been having all sorts of issues with my connective tissues, currently I am struggling with a frozen shoulder (a painful muscle spasm that severely reduces range of motion) and not having much luck in getting it to go away.</p>
<p>I found myself with a fever and a sore throat last week, spiked to 101. I slept part of that day but the next day, I felt good enough to go for a bike ride,  work in my yard, wondering just what the heck was going on! Anyway last week, the moon went into my 6th house ARGH.  Is this whole Saturn Return going to be like this? the cold just got worse.  Horrible cough, headache,  sore throat.  I find sleep is tough to get what with all the head disturbance.  As the moon winged its way through my 6th house, I realized that for days I have been so focused on this cold, I have not been doing my shoulder exercises!  I laid awake last night thinking of writing this post.</p>
<p>I have been working as a &#8220;helper&#8221; in a large engineering group for 32 years. Somehow, amazingly, I have accrued enough<strong> service</strong> that I plan to retire this autumn and will get a pension.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">The Peasant (the fisherman&#8217;s wife)</p>
<p>I decided on mid to late September because that is when Saturn gets OFF my butt.    Our financial advisor said that we are in great shape.  I still have cats.  They are all stable and healthy, no troubles on that front either.  So really for me, for SOME reason, the focus of Saturn&#8217;s strangle hold called Saturn Return seems to be all about health this time.</p>
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<p>I have illustrated this blog post with some of my self portraits and a portrait of one of my cats. I did a series of self portraits, examining some of my  personas.  If you enjoyed them, check out my<a href="http://mimitabby.com/blog"> blog</a> ,  I paint all sorts of other things &#8211; and thanks for listening.</p>
<p>GROUP MEMBERS:  We hope you&#8217;ll all share your stories with us as time goes on and you become comfortable with one another.  If you want to do that, send what you&#8217;ve written to Donna at <a href="mailto:moonmave@spiritone.com">moonmave@spiritone.com</a> and she or Mimi will post it on this blog.  If you know any of the details of your astrology chart, such as the house Saturn and Neptune are placed in, include it for the members who are astrology lovers.</p>
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